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childminder rate for 2 children?

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hi
can anyone give me an idea of what i should be paying a childminder for a baby and a toddler. day goes from 7:45am to about 4:30pm. i know rates vary a lot but just looking for a range. i'm in Cork.
my childminder already has ds and i'm paying €45 per day which i think is quite pricey. she is fab so i don't resent it too much and i believe people should be paid properly. however, i would like to be able to get a more competitive rate when i ask her to take dd later on this year.
thanks
rosie
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hi rosiecotton
Im also in cork and was looking into childminders for my ds. One girl i was talking to for me was asking for 200 a week, 5 days a week and her hours were going to be from 6.30 am to around 1. That was the price that she asked for. Her previous job she said she was minding 2 boys from 8 till 5 and was being payed 260 a week. Dont know if thats good or bad or if its anygood to you.
Hope it goes well for you.
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I'm in Cork too. I recently went looking for a childminder, my hrs were 8am-2pm 2 days 10-1 for 1 day and one person was looking for 10e an hour another for 40e per day...needless to say I stuck with the creche and where I was paying 30e per morning 8.30 - 1.30 but if I was to send her the full day I would be paying the same but still a much better price than the childminders who btw wouldn't be paying any tax or overheads.
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The guideline for childminders is €30-40 for full day care and €20-30 for half day, thats in Kildare.
€45 is pricey imo , I think she should be able to mind your two children for approx €60-65 per day.
Does €45 include all meals and snacks?
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thanks for the replies ladies, i agree its expensive but there is a bit of history there regarding my situation when i found her and that's where we ended up. 40E seems about the rate here for one child unless you're out in the country. i know creche could potentially be cheaper and am looking into this too, but love my childminder she is brilliant with ds, he gets 1 on 1 care in the mornings with her and she never ever lets me down - nothing is too much trouble and she's super flexible. having said all this i question how much "minding" of ds is required when her own kids are in from playschool/school in the afternoons as they all play together.
still, if i could negotiate a better rate for the 2 of them i would be happier and now is the tiime to do it so your info is very useful, thanks a mill! if anyone else can add to it please let me know...
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most childminders offer a 10% discount for a second child in a family but some dont
any hours that are unsocial ie before 8 ish in the morning or after 6 in the eve would be charged higher
rosiecotton are you suggesting that your childminder shouldnt charge for the hours she has your child when her own kids are around ??, it doesnt matter how many of her own children are in her care so is responsible for your child as a childminder , thats like looking for a discount when your child is asleep !!!, you said in your original post that your childminder is fab but you resent her a bit is this because she has her own children as well as your child in the afternoons ??, from experience having your own children and a little mindee can be double the work not half of it as you suggest
you should ask your childminder what her policy is for 2nd children in a family maybe you can work something out
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I am new enough to this site, but just to say, yes it is still hard looking after someones child even if thet are playing with your own kids, she still has responsibility for your child.also to point out that while some childminders dont pay tax, most actually do, as this is our job and we still need to be able to qualify for things like maternity benefit should we need to in the future.I am currently in the process of starting upas a childminder and will be doind it properly, registering and paying prsi etc..i have 2 kids myself and understand how hard it is financially for parents as i have been there myself, however i am still shocked how little childminders are valued by some people, and how some people are not to bothered as long as the price is right.If you want your child to sit in front of tv all day then yes pay the lowest rate.If you want your child to be stimulated with activities and outinings and to eat well then you have to expect to pay a bit more, as there ARE overheads involved.Arts and crfts equiptment doesn't pay for itself, good fresh food needs to be paid for too, as does petrol for day trips.Like any service you do get what you pay for, so please keep this in mind when choosing your childminder, and respect the fact that this is the childminders job, like you have yours.And they do deserve to be paid well as you are entrusting the care of your children to them and believe me it is a huge responsibility, and it is damn hard work.in fact it is the hardest job i have had( also the lowest paid ).if you find a good one then hang on to them.
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Bigbelly - I agree with a lot of what you say - actually everything!!!!
In my case, If I couldn't afford a good childminder full-time - I'd work less and try to afford them part-time.
Would you use TV at all if you are charging more than creches?
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Hi Rosiecotton, I don't have any experience of childminders but I think 7:45 is quite early, and €45 a day works out approx €5 an hour so it's not too bad really. I think with 2 kids you would be lucky to get it for €80 a day...
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I will be paying my childminder 80 euro for eight hours at my house to mind my baby. This is what she asked for. She said she was getting 12 euro an hour from another family she works for. I suppose Dublin might be more expensive than Cork. Plus she's coming to my house.
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ladies, i don't think some of you read my posts very carefully.
i never said or suggested that i didn't think that i should be charged for when ds is playing with my childminder's children and i'm well aware that he is still in her care. what i said was i don't think the level of care required in the afternoon is as high as the mornings when she is one on one with him as he is engrossed in playing with her children so requires a lower level of supervision and interaction from her (given the ages of her children). i love the fact that ds is in a family environment and has playmates in the afternoon and this is one of the reasons i chose a childminder over a creche.
i also totally value my childminder as i've already stated and i'm not interested in finding the cheapest childcare available - i'm interested in good quality childcare for my children at a fair and reasonable price. as i am the only person who knows how my childminder looks after my child, i feel i'm the best judge of whether it represents value for money. i'm well aware of how hard it can be looking after him and don't underestimate the job.
the point i was making is that i feel that my childminder is quite expensive in my area (the rate that my friends are paying for their children ranges from 25-40E per day and a creche would be 40E per day) and i would prefer not to pay more than the "going rate" especially for 2 children. i appreciate that childminders have a living to make, but i also do and i need something that works for me financially and that represents good value for my money. i am therefore trying to ensure i know what a competitive rate is before negotiating a rate for 2 children.
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Would you touch base with childminding Ireland?
They probably have good advice.
http://www.childminding.ie/
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Subject: childminder rate for 2 children?
bigbelly2 wrote:
I am new enough to this site, but just to say, yes it is still hard looking after someones child even if thet are playing with your own kids, she still has responsibility for your child.also to point out that while some childminders dont pay tax, most actually do, as this is our job and we still need to be able to qualify for things like maternity benefit should we need to in the future.I am currently in the process of starting upas a childminder and will be doind it properly, registering and paying prsi etc..i have 2 kids myself and understand how hard it is financially for parents as i have been there myself, however i am still shocked how little childminders are valued by some people, and how some people are not to bothered as long as the price is right.If you want your child to sit in front of tv all day then yes pay the lowest rate.If you want your child to be stimulated with activities and outinings and to eat well then you have to expect to pay a bit more, as there ARE overheads involved.Arts and crfts equiptment doesn't pay for itself, good fresh food needs to be paid for too, as does petrol for day trips.Like any service you do get what you pay for, so please keep this in mind when choosing your childminder, and respect the fact that this is the childminders job, like you have yours.And they do deserve to be paid well as you are entrusting the care of your children to them and believe me it is a huge responsibility, and it is damn hard work.in fact it is the hardest job i have had( also the lowest paid ).if you find a good one then hang on to them.
i totally agree with bigbelly post , yes you guessed im a childcarer myself , but provide flexible part time childcare in the childrens own homes
i do think what rosiecotton is asking for is what is a good rate of childcare for her area of cork , but do bear in mind rosiecotton if your childminder is great , thats what your paying for of course , quality childcare for your child and your peace of mind and also bear in mind she is charging her particular rate based on her previous childcare experience and qualifications before becoming a childminder

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